In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Everyone lies. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. Patricia He was captured in August and is in state custody. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Cop defends accused. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Or did they? The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. This is all BS.She did it. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. You are absolutely right. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. Great catch. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Whatever the truth is. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Youre absolutely right!! They were people that knew her, not Andrew. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Patricia Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. You murdered your girls," she said. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Said And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. I wanted to get out of there.. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. I didnt believe it. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. It makes me sick. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Its totally irrelevant. Very similar. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. Search it out and check for yourself. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Dance defense. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? I dont even know its Christmas.. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. And Patricia did live in another state. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? (Nope. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. And NOBODY saw her at all? The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor Some people are just monsters. Patricia Rorrer Forensic Files Now The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. 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Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. It seems so, according to you. Thanks for contacting us. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Trash-talking ex. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Shes being well taken care of.. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. Meticulous primping. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! The District Attorney got this one right. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Am I missing something? She won't see them graduate from college. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Why? But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. You seem to have a fragile ego. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Nope. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Or did they? Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. But none of those charges ever stuck. Have a tip we should know? Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Patricia Giddings pleads not guilty She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew.